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MemberMothra LarvaeDec-04-2019 2:48 PM

Ok i'm new here and this could seem off topic, and perhaps it's true, but hey, it's good to satisfy a whim.

I recently viewed the past movies of this cinematographic "monster universe" and remained pleasurably enjoyed by it, it's over-the-top atmosphere, para-scientific explanations, Monster anthropomorphism and overall upbeat catastrophes made me very attracted by it.

To get to the point, one thing i couldn't notice, a constant present since the 1954 Godzilla (depressing as a cancer, in the literal way) is the utterly inability of the Army to pose a slight threat or issue to the titans.

Ok, now i'm going off topic, Serious Sam is a videogame series developed by the croatian game developer croteam, the series is follows the adventures of Serious Sam, a one liner army captain from XXII century which is sent back in time to stop a God-Like alien overlord: Mental, which objective is to erase the universe from all intelligent life forms. Sam fights off chaotic hordes of marauding aliens, in every game, the final boss is represented by a 330 feet tall alien Abort, very similar to Toho's Monsters, which is always defeated by our almighty hero. Here's the final boss of the third game, which came out in 2011 https://youtu.be/NOpCMRUkcP4?t=15

Now, my point is: based on the inhuman fighting skills, infinite stamina, health durability, sci-fi arsenal, could Serious Sam, or someone like him, in monsterverse, being able to put down or overwhelm Godzilla? I know it's a stupid question, but i couldn't ignore the similitudes of the genre.

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The Hooded Figure
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Because it is true. If the scenarios (or characters) are fictitious, there’s no limit to what a writer desires for the outcome to be. It doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy discussing the what-ifs or who-could-win regarding fictitious material, but in the case for this topic, the claims used here are just repeated back and forth and delve into nonsense rather than providing examples of additional relevance to the original claims.

For example, there are different versions of Godzilla to help build your claim against what the OP uses rather than limiting yourself to the MonsterVerse Godzilla. Additionally, there’s quite a difference between making use of supporting evidence to back your claims instead of giving the same-answers-but-in-different-words responses.

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The Hooded Figure

It's subjective. MV Godzilla has been overwhelmed before. Serious Sam has lost many times before. MV Godzilla is semi-aquatic. We don't know how good a swimmer Serious Sam is. Hydrogen is lighter than Uranium. It's true, doesn't mean it's something that really makes a difference to the point of the discussion.

 

And I WOULD use different versions of Godzilla, but A. using a composite Godzilla would be kind of weird and B. we're specifically talking about Monsterverse Godzilla, not any of the other incarnations. It's one of the original parameters of this discussion.

 

Also, yes. That's essentially what it has devolved to, but at least giving actual claims and evidence than just saying it basically doesn't matter. Of course it doesn't really matter, that's basically the fun of it. I mean, does what you said actually help the original topic at all? It's also something we all know and recognize. So that's essentially like saying Sam and Godzilla would never meet. We know that, we recognize that. So what if they'd never meet? Even if they did meet, it would be completely fictitious and also probably non-cannon to a fictional story. And?

 

"Additionally, there’s quite a difference between making use of supporting evidence to back your claims instead of giving the same-answers-but-in-different-words responses."

And there's a difference between making use of supporting evidence to back your claims and saying a basic thing that has little relevance to the discussion and we all already know.

 

 

Anyways, back on topic, MV Godzilla would win. Sure, Sam could technically win, but Godzilla would win more times than not. The only Godzillas I think he'd stand more than a theoretical chance of beating are Godzilla 1998, if you count her as one, and maybe Showa, but even then Showa would win more times than not, and Zilla (and especially Zilla Junior) wouldn't go down very easily.

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What I said does matter. It’s why debate exists for a reason. But I’ll leave the topic to its original discussion then.

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"Well, MOST people wouldn't have realized Godzilla was radioactive as that was classified Monarch information."

People would not have known, but monarch would have taken measures, If in 2014 godzilla works the same way of KOTM then radiation contamination should have happened, since he just slaughtered two radioactive-feed creatures, and common nuclear-hazard procedures would have took place.

 "Hell, even in that scene you can see people in Hazmat suits, just not Serizawa." 

Humm, no? I rewatched the scene and nobody wore hazmat suits https://youtu.be/vtqr7HTgHM8?t=80"

"How the hell would they get his RADIOACTIVE blood for sampling mid fight?"

Here i explained my self poorly, i meant that Netricsa could analyze Sam's blood, it's the hud of the game and analyzes Sam's health, the damages it takes eccetera, here's a link to a brief explenation          https://youtu.be/EQlHH29ZlQU?t=305

"Just because he has higher amounts of radiation doesn't mean he's going to nuke everyone"

True, but as Netricsa notices a dangerous presence of ionizing radiations traversing Sam would warn him trough his HUD, like when signals Health loss. it's a nano-computer after all like Monarch's, as soon as Godzilla becomes a nuclear hazard Sam would take is ass out of the scene since he's losing health and can't win. Also Godzilla became Thermonuclear because got empowered by a tactical Nuke and Mothra, it's was very circumstantial and plot driven, he wouldn't do that normally in a whatever encounter.

"Ugh-Zan is made of thin, albeit tough, layers of metal." 

Well... No, he's not a robot, he's a Giant Extraterrestrial creature (like Ghidorah by the way), leader of the alien army, sent by Mental to eradicate Sam and the Mankind, he has Bio-mechanical prothesis (arms and legs), but he isn't made of metal, his skin is uncovered, he has the ability to regenerate himself, ergo, being immune to everything, Sam defeats him using lightning beams, as they disable temporarily his electronic parts so that he can be overwhelmed. Also Ugh-Zan is shown to be capable of handle a Sandwhale with ease, a monster double his size (Ugh Zan is 330 feet tall) that even Sam can't destroy. Now if cannonballs hurt him i don't see why they can't do the same to a Muto or Godzilla.

"seeing how even Ghidorah's Gravity Beams couldn't pierce that hide and were designed for drilling, I don't think a cannon(which are typically weaker than missiles, which have been shown to have little effect on Godzilla) would be able to do much against him."

I repeat, that one isn't a regular cannon, it's alien crap. however now we have an issue, i can't empirically demonstrate that the cannon could pierce Godzilla, i can only assume that this is the case because the cannon deals extreme damage to everything in the games (excluding the sandwhale since it's a boundary limit). BUT i'll link the video analysis form FrameRater about the damages of the SBC cannon in Serious Sam the first encounter (Ugh Zan IV is from a diffrent game but who cares)  https://youtu.be/rAwQQxFlAI4?t=470 

P.S (After all this research i wonder if mental's army could defeat Godzilla but i that would be a bridge too far)

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Ok, even though this section become silent, i think is correct to share one of my realizations, i thought about this for a while, Serious Sam couldn't be able to kill Godzilla once for all, his cannon hasn't enough ammunitions. And Sam hasn't enough firepower to do so. it would be an hard battle, Sam could be able to injure him, but kill him no.

Okay, Game Changer, in your opinion who is the human, in every piece of fiction, to be able to kill Godzilla without superpowers or the help of Supernatural elements (Sci Fi Technology counts)?

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Technically Saitama doesn't have superpowers, he's just grotesquely strong because he trained for 3 years and became WAY stronger than he originally was. If not, MAYBE Batman or Iron Man because they are scientists with a lot of money. If they were to team up they'd have a better chance, but still only win a fraction of a percent of the time. I do know ONE person who could kill Godzilla without any super-tech: Serizawa.

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Jeez i don't think saitama could count as a normal human being, i mean i think is pretty implausible to become an unbeatable superhero after 3 year daily crossfit training. I would say it's cartoon logic.

Let's be clear, i still think Serious Sam could be the only human to withstand a fight with godzilla, for the reasons i wrote above, simply that he couldn't kill him.

Also about what Serizawa are we talking about? The Honda one or the MV one? Excluding the Oxygen Destroyer i believe there are other human made weapons able to hurt Godzilla, or any other Titan/Kaiju. Railguns, Kinetic Bombardments or orbital strikes or something like this.

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I mean, MOST of it isn't likely, even Serious Sam, so...

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